Papirius - Revision history

Bonsall at 14:15, 24 November 2025

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	\|Has Critical Literature=Murko (1890); Nishimura (2001)		\|Has Critical Literature=Murko (1890); Nishimura (2001)
	\|Has Motif=Adultery; Age versus youth; Deception; Deceitful woman; Familial relationships; Father/son relationships~~; Failed/rejected seduction~~; Gullible husband; Lesson: women’s cleverness and deceit; Multiple lovers; Wicked stepmother/mother-in-law; Cross dressing; Cross dressing: man in women’s clothes; Disguise; Concealed lover		\|Has Motif=Adultery; Age versus youth; Deception; Deceitful woman; Familial relationships; Father/son relationships; Gullible husband; Lesson: women’s cleverness and deceit; Multiple lovers; Wicked stepmother/mother-in-law; Cross dressing; Cross dressing: man in women’s clothes; Disguise; Concealed lover; Love (or lust) at first sight; Old woman as go-between; Gender play; Misinterpretation; Children; Wise child; Court of law
	\|Has Summary='''Papirius'''		\|Has Summary='''Papirius'''

	Benjamin~~'s mother~~ dies when ~~he was~~ three years old. His inconsolable ~~father~~ one day ~~noticed~~ a beautiful maiden on the street, ~~whom he then married~~. ~~Her marital~~ fidelity gradually ~~declined~~, and, with the help of a procuress, she ~~obtained~~ a ~~young man who was disguised~~ as a virgin.		The mother of a young boy named Benjamin (or, in the original tale, Papirius) dies when the boy is three years old. His father is initially inconsolable, but one day notices a beautiful maiden on the street, and falls immediately in love. He marries her, despite how much younger she is. After their marraige, the young wife's fidelity gradually declines, and, with the help of a procuress, she takes a lover; he is able to visit her by disguising himself as a virgin.

	In his tenth year, Benjamin ~~came~~ to the ~~town hall~~. ~~To probe him~~, his stepmother ~~took~~ him ~~for a walk~~ in the garden, ~~which pleased~~ his father ~~so much that he even admonished his son to be grateful to her for it~~. Benjamin soon tired of his stepmother’s questioning ~~and judged~~ that what was under ~~question~~ was whether a woman ~~can~~ have two husbands. Incited by his stepmother, the women of the town ~~organised~~ a revolt and ~~came to~~ the ~~town~~ hall, ~~where they forced~~ the ~~decree banning this to be revoked~~. ~~In their opinion, it could indeed be~~ the ~~case~~ that ~~a woman~~ might have two husbands~~, but the other way round was unacceptable~~.		As is tradition, Benjamin's father begins to bring him along to the senate-house when the boy is in his tenth year. Like other boys his age, Benjamin listens to debates, and is instructed to keep the code of silence about any laws that are in progress until the matter is decided. One day, when he returns home, his stepmother grows curious about the secretive goings-on in the senate, and she begins to seek out conversation with the boy. She takes him on walks in the garden, and their burgeoning relationship pleases his father greatly. She questions him again and again about the senate's business, and Benjamin soon tired of his stepmother’s questioning. Finally, rather than break his sworn silence, he tells her a lie: he claims that what was under debate was whether a man might have two wives, or whether a woman might have two husbands. Incited by his stepmother, the women of the town organise a revolt and riot outside the senate hall, much to the confusion of the members of the senate. The women force the senate to issue a decree that no man might have two wives - though they are in favour of women being able to have two husbands.


	(From Murko, translated by Ava Byrne)		(From Murko; translated by Ava Byrne, edited by Jane Bonsall)
	\|Has Note=~~Nishimura notes~~ the ~~following:~~		\|Has Note=The story of the boy Papirius who lies to his mother about the secret proceedings of the sanate is recorded in Roman author and grammarian Aulus Gellius's (c. 125-180 AD) work ''Noctes Atticae'' (1.23). However, Papirius is convinced to speak to his mother, not his step-mother, and the brief description here of the stepmother's adultery, and the lover disguised in women's clothes, is not part of the tale.

	'''Motifs and Types:''' TMI J1546 Overcurious wife learns of the senate’s deliberations. T146 Polyandry. ATU 1381d* Secret Senate. TU5269 Wife and secret senate.		Nishimura notes the following:

			'''Motifs and Types:''' TMI J1546: Overcurious wife learns of the senate’s deliberations. T146: Polyandry. ATU 1381d*: Secret Senate. TU5269: Wife and secret senate.

	'''Analogues:''' Gellius, ''The Attic Nights'', 1.23. Vincentius Bellovacensis, ''Spiculum Doctrinale'', 5.10 (p. 409. From Macrobius). Jacques de Vitry, ''Exempla'', 235 ‘A wife importuned her husband…’ (Papirius does not appear, but as a matrimonial matter). ''The Book of Tales by A.B.C.'', 394 (338) ‘In young lads…’ (from Macrobius, ''Scipio’s Dream''). ''Scala Coeli'', 282 ‘Les secrets des conseils romains’. ''Gesta Romanorum'', 126 ‘Der verschwiegene Knabe Papirius’. ''Novellino'', 67 ‘Wie Papirius als Kind von seinem Vater in den Senat mitgenommen wurde‘. Sercambi, ''Il Novelliere'', 49. Sachs, nr.4836, nr.73, ‘Der knab Lucius Papirius Cursor’. Pauli, ''Schimpf und Ernst'', 392 ‚Papirius sagt,…‘.		'''Analogues:''' Gellius, ''The Attic Nights'', 1.23. Vincentius Bellovacensis, ''Spiculum Doctrinale'', 5.10 (p. 409. From Macrobius). Jacques de Vitry, ''Exempla'', 235 ‘A wife importuned her husband…’ (Papirius does not appear, but as a matrimonial matter). ''The Book of Tales by A.B.C.'', 394 (338) ‘In young lads…’ (from Macrobius, ''Scipio’s Dream''). ''Scala Coeli'', 282 ‘Les secrets des conseils romains’. ''Gesta Romanorum'', 126 ‘Der verschwiegene Knabe Papirius’. ''Novellino'', 67 ‘Wie Papirius als Kind von seinem Vater in den Senat mitgenommen wurde‘. Sercambi, ''Il Novelliere'', 49. Sachs, nr.4836, nr.73, ‘Der knab Lucius Papirius Cursor’. Pauli, ''Schimpf und Ernst'', 392 ‚Papirius sagt,…‘.

Bonsall at 13:38, 24 November 2025

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	\|Has Motif=Adultery; Age versus youth; Deception; Deceitful woman; Familial relationships; Father/son relationships; Failed/rejected seduction; Gullible husband; Lesson: women’s cleverness and deceit; Multiple lovers; Wicked stepmother/mother-in-law		\|Has Motif=Adultery; Age versus youth; Deception; Deceitful woman; Familial relationships; Father/son relationships; Failed/rejected seduction; Gullible husband; Lesson: women’s cleverness and deceit; Multiple lovers; Wicked stepmother/mother-in-law; Cross dressing; Cross dressing: man in women’s clothes; Disguise; Concealed lover
	\|Has Summary='''Papirius'''		\|Has Summary='''Papirius'''

	Benjamin's mother ~~died~~ when he was three years old. His inconsolable father one day noticed a beautiful maiden on the street, whom he then married. Her marital fidelity gradually declined, and, with the help of a procuress, she obtained a young man who was disguised as a virgin.		Benjamin's mother dies when he was three years old. His inconsolable father one day noticed a beautiful maiden on the street, whom he then married. Her marital fidelity gradually declined, and, with the help of a procuress, she obtained a young man who was disguised as a virgin.

	In his tenth year, Benjamin came to the town hall. To probe him, his stepmother took him for a walk in the garden, which pleased his father so much that he even admonished his son to be grateful to her for it. Benjamin soon tired of his stepmother’s questioning and judged that what was under question was whether a woman can have two husbands. Incited by his stepmother, the women of the town organised a revolt and came to the town hall, where they forced the decree banning this to be revoked. In their opinion, it could indeed be the case that a woman might have two husbands, but the other way round was unacceptable.		In his tenth year, Benjamin came to the town hall. To probe him, his stepmother took him for a walk in the garden, which pleased his father so much that he even admonished his son to be grateful to her for it. Benjamin soon tired of his stepmother’s questioning and judged that what was under question was whether a woman can have two husbands. Incited by his stepmother, the women of the town organised a revolt and came to the town hall, where they forced the decree banning this to be revoked. In their opinion, it could indeed be the case that a woman might have two husbands, but the other way round was unacceptable.


	(From Murko, translated by Ava Byrne)		(From Murko, translated by Ava Byrne)
	\|Has Note=~~Entered~~ by ~~Ava Byrne~~		\|Has Note=Nishimura notes the following:

			'''Motifs and Types:''' TMI J1546 Overcurious wife learns of the senate’s deliberations. T146 Polyandry. ATU 1381d* Secret Senate. TU5269 Wife and secret senate.

			'''Analogues:''' Gellius, ''The Attic Nights'', 1.23. Vincentius Bellovacensis, ''Spiculum Doctrinale'', 5.10 (p. 409. From Macrobius). Jacques de Vitry, ''Exempla'', 235 ‘A wife importuned her husband…’ (Papirius does not appear, but as a matrimonial matter). ''The Book of Tales by A.B.C.'', 394 (338) ‘In young lads…’ (from Macrobius, ''Scipio’s Dream''). ''Scala Coeli'', 282 ‘Les secrets des conseils romains’. ''Gesta Romanorum'', 126 ‘Der verschwiegene Knabe Papirius’. ''Novellino'', 67 ‘Wie Papirius als Kind von seinem Vater in den Senat mitgenommen wurde‘. Sercambi, ''Il Novelliere'', 49. Sachs, nr.4836, nr.73, ‘Der knab Lucius Papirius Cursor’. Pauli, ''Schimpf und Ernst'', 392 ‚Papirius sagt,…‘.

			'''Reference stories''', '''etc.:''' ''Zashosan'', ‘Yakimochi (Jealousy)’ (Sentence to keep one concubine for every one hundred Koku of rice. Wives go to return the amount of Koku. According to Muto Sadao, ''Edo Kobanashi Ruiwa Jiten'', p.59 ⑥). The stories that show the wife’s inability to keep secrets include Plutarchos’s ''On Eloquence'', 11 (507B-F); La Fontaine’s ''Fables'', 8.6 ‘Women and Secrets’; ''Grimm’s Fairy Tales'', KHM 115 ‘Der klare Sonne bringt’s an den Tag’; Afanasjew, ''Russian Ridiculous Tales'', 63 ‘The Talkative Wife’; Jataka, 481 ‘Takkariya-j.’, etc.

			'''Bibliography:''' Chauvin VIII184, 238. Note 42 of my translation of ''Disciplina Clericalis''.
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	Benjamin's mother died when he was three years old. His inconsolable father one day noticed a beautiful maiden on the street, whom he then married. Her marital fidelity gradually declined, and, with the help of a procuress, she obtained a young man who was disguised as a virgin.		Benjamin's mother died when he was three years old. His inconsolable father one day noticed a beautiful maiden on the street, whom he then married. Her marital fidelity gradually declined, and, with the help of a procuress, she obtained a young man who was disguised as a virgin.

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|Has Critical Literature=Murko (1890); Nishimura (2001)
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Benjamin's mother died when he was three years old. His inconsolable father one day noticed a beautiful maiden on the street, whom he then married. Her marital fidelity gradually declined, and, with the help of a procuress, she obtained a young man who was disguised as a virgin.

In his tenth year, Benjamin came to the town hall. To probe him, his stepmother took him for a walk in the garden, which pleased his father so much that he even admonished his son to be grateful to her for it. Benjamin soon tired of his stepmother’s questioning and judged that what was under question was whether a woman can have two husbands. Incited by his stepmother, the women of the town organised a revolt and came to the town hall, where they forced the decree banning this to be revoked. In their opinion, it could indeed be the case that a woman might have two husbands, but the other way round was unacceptable.

(From Murko, translated by Ava Byrne)
|Has Note=Entered by Ava Byrne
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