Roma and Lupus - Revision history

Bonsall at 14:38, 26 November 2025

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	\|Has Motif=Wise old man; Deceitful old man; Lesson: loyalty; Animal tale; Wolf; Dog; Sheep; Military conflict; Setting: exotic/orientalised; City besieged		\|Has Motif=Wise old man; Deceitful old man; Lesson: loyalty; Animal tale; Wolf; Dog; Sheep; Military conflict; Setting: exotic/orientalised; City besieged; Old man; Imprisonment; Judgement
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	From Gadsden (2021).		[From Gadsden (2021); added by Jane Bonsall].
	\|Has Note=As mentioned above, Lupus is unique to the [[Welsh Version A: Chwedleu Seith Doethon Rufein\|Welsh Version A]] text, as is the accompanying revision of Roma.		\|Has Note=As mentioned above, Lupus is unique to the [[Welsh Version A: Chwedleu Seith Doethon Rufein\|Welsh Version A]] text, as is the accompanying revision of Roma.

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	\|Has Motif=Wise old man; Deceitful old man; Lesson: loyalty; Animal tale; Wolf; Dog; Sheep; Military conflict; Setting: exotic/orientalised		\|Has Motif=Wise old man; Deceitful old man; Lesson: loyalty; Animal tale; Wolf; Dog; Sheep; Military conflict; Setting: exotic/orientalised; City besieged
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Bonsall at 13:16, 15 July 2025

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	The citizens of the city, understanding the moral message, refused to believe the wicked king's words, freed the sages, and at last rose up and defeated their enemies.		The citizens of the city, understanding the moral message, refused to believe the wicked king's words, freed the sages, and at last rose up and defeated their enemies.


			From Gadsden (2021).
	\|Has Note=As mentioned above, Lupus is unique to the [[Welsh Version A: Chwedleu Seith Doethon Rufein\|Welsh Version A]] text, as is the accompanying revision of Roma.		\|Has Note=As mentioned above, Lupus is unique to the [[Welsh Version A: Chwedleu Seith Doethon Rufein\|Welsh Version A]] text, as is the accompanying revision of Roma.

	Unlike [[Roma]] or the hybrid [[Senescalcus and Roma]], this iteration of Roma is told by the empress. [[Gadsden (2021)]] muses on how the narrative changes here, not to mention the additional embedded tale, reflect an authorial urge to make the tale's function more logical and linear.		Unlike [[Roma]] or the hybrid [[Senescalcus and Roma]], this iteration of Roma is told by the empress. [[Gadsden (2021)]] muses on how the narrative changes here, not to mention the additional embedded tale, reflect an authorial urge to make the tale's function more logical and linear.

			The story Lupus is one of Aesop's Fables, and was also found in Odo of Cheriton's ''Fabulae'', which were used in sermons and had been translated into Welsh by the time the ''Seven Sages'' were composed, according to [[Gadsden (2021)]], p. 70.

			Nishimura notes additional motifs, analogues, and references:

			'''Motif and Types:''' TMI K2061.1.1: Wolf proposes abolition of dog guards for sheep: plan detected. ATU 62A: Peace between Wolves and Sheep. TU5357: Peace proposal of wolves.

			'''Analogues:''' ''Aesop’s Fables'', 153 '''‘'''The Wolves and the Sheep’; Plutarchos, ''Vitae Paralleae'', Demosthenes, 23; Babrius, ''Aesopic Fables'', 93 ‘Peace by Surrender’; ''The Life of Aesop'', 97 (95-97 similar to ‘107. Roma’ + ’73. lupus’); Steinhöwel, ''Äsop'', ‘The Life of Aesop’, 20; Caxton, ''Fables of Aesop'', 3.13, ‘The Wolves and the Lambs’; ''Esopo no Fabulas'', ‘The Life of Aesop’ (pp. 36-37); ''Isoho Monogatari'', 10 ‘The Imperial Messenger from Riihia’; Jacques de Vitry, ''Exempla'', 45 ‘Fable of the wolves…’; ''The Book of Tales by A.B.C.'', 415 (364) ‘He shows us how to do what’s right…’; Pauli, ''Schimpf und Ernst'', 447 ‘Die Wolf begerten die Hund von Schaffen': La Fontaine, ''Fables'', III.13.

			'''Reference stories''', '''etc.:''' ''Aesop’s Fables'', 342 ‘The Wolves and the Dogs’. Xenophon, ''Anabasis'', 2.5.1-41.
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Bonsall at 13:09, 15 July 2025

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	\|Has Motif=Wise old man; Deceitful old man; Lesson: loyalty; Animal tale; Wolf; Dog; Sheep		\|Has Motif=Wise old man; Deceitful old man; Lesson: loyalty; Animal tale; Wolf; Dog; Sheep; Military conflict; Setting: exotic/orientalised
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Bonsall at 13:03, 15 July 2025

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			\|Has Summary='''Rome, and the Wolf'''

			''Note: This story combines a variant of the tale [[Roma]] with another story, Lupus, which is further embedded in the narrative and unique to the [[Welsh Version A: Chwedleu Seith Doethon Rufein\|Welsh Version A]] text.''


			'''Roma (variation)'''

			A 'rich strong city in the East' is governed by seven wise men, whose wisdom and cleverness lead to the city's riches and success. The city is eventually besieged by a 'cruel strong king', and the seven wise men defend the city well, but cannot repel the enemy forces. At last the king promises to retreat and leave the population in peace, if only the citizens of the city will send out the seven wise men. The foolish citizens agree to this, and seize and bind the seven sages. But before they can hand them over to the wicked king, one of the sages stands and speaks. "If you deliver us to the enemy', he says, 'the same thing will happen as when the wolf deceived the shepherd.' And (exactly echoing the frame tale) the people ask, 'How was that?' The wise man explains.

			'''Lupus'''

			Once there was a wolf who was kept from killing a shepherd's flock by the shepherd's loyal, ferocious dogs, who gave the wolf no rest. The wolf, changing tactics, instead approached the shepherd directly, and promised that he would leave the sheep alone in everlasting peace, if only the shepherd would give the dogs to him. The foolish shepherd agreed, and caught and tied up his dogs, and left them for the wolf. The wold killed the dogs, then all the sheep, and finally the shepherd.

			The citizens of the city, understanding the moral message, refused to believe the wicked king's words, freed the sages, and at last rose up and defeated their enemies.
			\|Has Note=As mentioned above, Lupus is unique to the [[Welsh Version A: Chwedleu Seith Doethon Rufein\|Welsh Version A]] text, as is the accompanying revision of Roma.

			Unlike [[Roma]] or the hybrid [[Senescalcus and Roma]], this iteration of Roma is told by the empress. [[Gadsden (2021)]] muses on how the narrative changes here, not to mention the additional embedded tale, reflect an authorial urge to make the tale's function more logical and linear.
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