Scots Version H: Rolland, Seuin Seages - Revision history

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	\|Has Title=The Seuin Seages		\|Has Title=The Seuin Seages
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	\|Has Branch Of Tradition=Seven Sages of Rome		\|Has Branch Of Tradition=Seven Sages of Rome
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	\|Has Siglum=Scots Version H		\|Has Siglum=Scots Version H
	\|Has Branch Of Tradition=Seven Sages of Rome		\|Has Branch Of Tradition=Seven Sages of Rome
	~~\|Is Adapted From=H (Historia Septem Sapientum)~~
	\|Has Language Of Version=Scots		\|Has Language Of Version=Scots
			\|Has Regional Language=Middle Scots
	\|Has Place Of Text Composition=Edinburgh, UK		\|Has Place Of Text Composition=Edinburgh, UK
	\|Has Date Of Text Composition=1560		\|Has Date Of Text Composition=1560
	~~\|Has Text Language=Scots~~
	~~\|Has Regional Language=Middle Scots~~
	\|Has Modern Research Literature=Flynn (2023); Martin (2009); Barr (1967); Schlusemann (2023); Campbell (1907); Whitelock (2005); Buchner (1889); Couper (2002); Van Buuren (1982)		\|Has Modern Research Literature=Flynn (2023); Martin (2009); Barr (1967); Schlusemann (2023); Campbell (1907); Whitelock (2005); Buchner (1889); Couper (2002); Van Buuren (1982)
	\|Has Modern Edition=Rolland, The Seuin Seages, ed. by Black (1932); Rolland, The Seven Sages in Scotish Metre, ed. by Laing (1837)		\|Has Modern Edition=Rolland, The Seuin Seages, ed. by Black (1932); Rolland, The Seven Sages in Scotish Metre, ed. by Laing (1837)
			\|Is Adapted From=H (Historia Septem Sapientum)
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	\|Has Place Of Text Composition=Edinburgh, UK		\|Has Place Of Text Composition=Edinburgh, UK
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	\|Is Adapted From=H (Historia Septem Sapientum)		\|Is Adapted From=H (Historia Septem Sapientum)
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	The linguistic elements of Rolland's text, and the poem's unusual prologue and epilogue, are of particular note, as is the way the author constructs the moral and gendered elements of the poem. The title of the print explains the pedagogical intent, saying that the poem includes: 'ane Moralitie efter euerie Doctouris Tale, and siclike efter the Emprice Tale, togidder with ane louing and laude to euerie Doctour efter his awin Tale, & ane Exclamation and outcrying vpon the Empreouris wife efter hir fals contrusit Tale.' However, in addition to the 'outcrying' upon the Empress's 'falseness', the text also claims to 'vphald' 'wemen's honour', in direct response to reported criticism from Rolland's aunt. In his prologue, Rolland explains that his aunt read his earlier work - a poem called ''The Court of Venus -'' and complained that it was both difficult to read, and also unkind to women (she demands to know how he dares to speak 'sa ruch and rude' about ladies). ''The Seuin Seages'', then, is Rolland's attempt to make amends, and this frames his excuses for his simple language, and also suggests a reading of the text less anti-feminist than it might originally appear.		The linguistic elements of Rolland's text, and the poem's unusual prologue and epilogue, are of particular note, as is the way the author constructs the moral and gendered elements of the poem. The title of the print explains the pedagogical intent, saying that the poem includes: 'ane Moralitie efter euerie Doctouris Tale, and siclike efter the Emprice Tale, togidder with ane louing and laude to euerie Doctour efter his awin Tale, & ane Exclamation and outcrying vpon the Empreouris wife efter hir fals contrusit Tale.' However, in addition to the 'outcrying' upon the Empress's 'falseness', the text also claims to 'vphald' 'wemen's honour', in direct response to reported criticism from Rolland's aunt. In his prologue, Rolland explains that his aunt read his earlier work - a poem called ''The Court of Venus -'' and complained that it was both difficult to read, and also unkind to women (she demands to know how he dares to speak 'sa ruch and rude' about ladies). ''The Seuin Seages'', then, is Rolland's attempt to make amends, and this frames his excuses for his simple language, and also suggests a reading of the text less anti-feminist than it might originally appear.
	\|Has Language Within Version=Scots		\|Has Language Within Version=Scots
			\|Has Parent Version=H (Historia Septem Sapientum)
	\|Has Author=John Rolland		\|Has Author=John Rolland
	\|Has Title=The Seuin Seages		\|Has Title=The Seuin Seages

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	\|Has Text Language=Scots		\|Has Text Language=Scots
	\|Has Regional Language=Middle Scots		\|Has Regional Language=Middle Scots
			\|Has Modern Research Literature=Flynn (2023); Martin (2009); Barr (1967); Schlusemann (2023); Campbell (1907); Whitelock (2005); Buchner (1889); Couper (2002); Van Buuren (1982)
	\|Has Modern Edition=Rolland, The Seuin Seages, ed. by Black (1932); Rolland, The Seven Sages in Scotish Metre, ed. by Laing (1837)		\|Has Modern Edition=Rolland, The Seuin Seages, ed. by Black (1932); Rolland, The Seven Sages in Scotish Metre, ed. by Laing (1837)
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	{{Secondary Version		{{Secondary Version
	\|Has Description=''The Seuin Seages'', composed by the poet John Rolland, is one of two surviving Scots versions of the ''Seven Sages'' narrative. This verse translation is particularly lengthy; it runs for 10,784 lines in total. It was composed 1560, while the author staying near Tantallon Castle, outside of Edinburgh in East Lothian~~; it~~ was first printed in 1578, and was reprinted throughout the later 16th and early 17th centuries. The title claims the text is 'Translatit out of prois in Scottis meter'; what that prose source may have been, however, is unclear. The poem follows the narrative pattern of the ''[[H (Historia Septem Sapientum)\|Historia]]'' tradition (including the presence of the Empress's lover at the end of the text), meaning that the other early Scots text, the ''[[Older Scots Version A: Buke of the Sevyne Sagis\|Buke of the Sevyne Sagis]]'' in the Asloan manuscript, was not its likely source. Whether Rolland had access to a [[Latin Version H]] text, a [[French Version H\|French print]], or one of the [[English Version H\|English prints]] by e.g. Copland or Wynkyn de Worde, is unknown.		\|Has Description=''The Seuin Seages'', composed by the poet John Rolland, is one of two surviving Scots versions of the ''Seven Sages'' narrative. This verse translation is particularly lengthy; it runs for 10,784 lines in total. It was composed 1560, while the author staying near Tantallon Castle, outside of Edinburgh in East Lothian. It was first printed in 1578, and was reprinted throughout the later 16th and early 17th centuries. The title claims the text is 'Translatit out of prois in Scottis meter'; what that prose source may have been, however, is unclear. The poem follows the narrative pattern of the ''[[H (Historia Septem Sapientum)\|Historia]]'' tradition (including the presence of the Empress's lover at the end of the text), meaning that the other early Scots text, the ''[[Older Scots Version A: Buke of the Sevyne Sagis\|Buke of the Sevyne Sagis]]'' in the Asloan manuscript, was not its likely source. Whether Rolland had access to a [[Latin Version H]] text, a [[French Version H\|French print]], or one of the [[English Version H\|English prints]] by e.g. Copland or Wynkyn de Worde, is unknown.

	The linguistic elements of Rolland's text, and the poem's unusual prologue and epilogue, are of particular note, as is the way the author constructs the moral and gendered elements of the poem. The title of the print explains the pedagogical intent, saying that the poem includes: 'ane Moralitie efter euerie Doctouris Tale, and siclike efter the Emprice Tale, togidder with ane louing and laude to euerie Doctour efter his awin Tale, & ane Exclamation and outcrying vpon the Empreouris wife efter hir fals contrusit Tale.' However, in addition to the 'outcrying' upon the Empress's 'falseness', the text also claims to 'vphald' 'wemen's honour', in direct response to reported criticism from Rolland's aunt. In his prologue, Rolland explains that his aunt read his earlier work - a poem called ''The Court of Venus -'' and complained that it was both difficult to read, and also unkind to women (she demands to know how he dares to speak 'sa ruch and rude' about ladies). ''The Seuin Seages'', then, is Rolland's attempt to make amends, and this frames his excuses for his simple language, and also suggests a reading of the text less anti-feminist than it might originally appear.		The linguistic elements of Rolland's text, and the poem's unusual prologue and epilogue, are of particular note, as is the way the author constructs the moral and gendered elements of the poem. The title of the print explains the pedagogical intent, saying that the poem includes: 'ane Moralitie efter euerie Doctouris Tale, and siclike efter the Emprice Tale, togidder with ane louing and laude to euerie Doctour efter his awin Tale, & ane Exclamation and outcrying vpon the Empreouris wife efter hir fals contrusit Tale.' However, in addition to the 'outcrying' upon the Empress's 'falseness', the text also claims to 'vphald' 'wemen's honour', in direct response to reported criticism from Rolland's aunt. In his prologue, Rolland explains that his aunt read his earlier work - a poem called ''The Court of Venus -'' and complained that it was both difficult to read, and also unkind to women (she demands to know how he dares to speak 'sa ruch and rude' about ladies). ''The Seuin Seages'', then, is Rolland's attempt to make amends, and this frames his excuses for his simple language, and also suggests a reading of the text less anti-feminist than it might originally appear.

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	{{Secondary Version		{{Secondary Version
	\|Has Description=The poet John Rolland~~'s verse translation~~ of ''~~The Seuin Seages~~'' is particularly lengthy; it runs for 10,784 lines in total. It was composed 1560, while the author staying near Tantallon Castle, outside of Edinburgh in East Lothian. The title claims the text is 'Translatit out of prois in Scottis meter'; what that prose source may have been, however, is unclear. The poem follows the narrative pattern of the ''[[H (Historia Septem Sapientum)\|Historia]]'' tradition (including the presence of the Empress's lover at the end of the text), meaning that the other early Scots text, the ''[[Older Scots Version A: Buke of the Sevyne Sagis\|Buke of the Sevyne Sagis]]'' in the Asloan manuscript, was not its likely source. Whether Rolland had access to a [[Latin Version H]] text, a [[French Version H\|French print]], or one of the [[English Version H\|English prints]] by e.g. Copland or Wynkyn de Worde, is unknown.		\|Has Description=''The Seuin Seages'', composed by the poet John Rolland, is one of two surviving Scots versions of the ''Seven Sages'' narrative. This verse translation is particularly lengthy; it runs for 10,784 lines in total. It was composed 1560, while the author staying near Tantallon Castle, outside of Edinburgh in East Lothian; it was first printed in 1578, and was reprinted throughout the later 16th and early 17th centuries. The title claims the text is 'Translatit out of prois in Scottis meter'; what that prose source may have been, however, is unclear. The poem follows the narrative pattern of the ''[[H (Historia Septem Sapientum)\|Historia]]'' tradition (including the presence of the Empress's lover at the end of the text), meaning that the other early Scots text, the ''[[Older Scots Version A: Buke of the Sevyne Sagis\|Buke of the Sevyne Sagis]]'' in the Asloan manuscript, was not its likely source. Whether Rolland had access to a [[Latin Version H]] text, a [[French Version H\|French print]], or one of the [[English Version H\|English prints]] by e.g. Copland or Wynkyn de Worde, is unknown.

	The linguistic elements of Rolland's text, and the poem's unusual prologue and epilogue, are of particular note, as is the way the author constructs the moral and gendered elements of the poem. The title of the print explains the pedagogical intent, saying that the poem includes: 'ane Moralitie efter euerie Doctouris Tale, and siclike efter the Emprice Tale, togidder with ane louing and laude to euerie Doctour efter his awin Tale, & ane Exclamation and outcrying vpon the Empreouris wife efter hir fals contrusit Tale.' However, in addition to the 'outcrying' upon the Empress's 'falseness', the text also claims to 'vphald' 'wemen's honour', in direct response to reported criticism from Rolland's aunt. In his prologue, Rolland explains that his aunt read his earlier work - a poem called ''The Court of Venus -'' and complained that it was both difficult to read, and also unkind to women (she demands to know how he dares to speak 'sa ruch and rude' about ladies). ''The Seuin Seages'', then, is Rolland's attempt to make amends, and this frames his excuses for his simple language, and also suggests a reading of the text less anti-feminist than it might originally appear.		The linguistic elements of Rolland's text, and the poem's unusual prologue and epilogue, are of particular note, as is the way the author constructs the moral and gendered elements of the poem. The title of the print explains the pedagogical intent, saying that the poem includes: 'ane Moralitie efter euerie Doctouris Tale, and siclike efter the Emprice Tale, togidder with ane louing and laude to euerie Doctour efter his awin Tale, & ane Exclamation and outcrying vpon the Empreouris wife efter hir fals contrusit Tale.' However, in addition to the 'outcrying' upon the Empress's 'falseness', the text also claims to 'vphald' 'wemen's honour', in direct response to reported criticism from Rolland's aunt. In his prologue, Rolland explains that his aunt read his earlier work - a poem called ''The Court of Venus -'' and complained that it was both difficult to read, and also unkind to women (she demands to know how he dares to speak 'sa ruch and rude' about ladies). ''The Seuin Seages'', then, is Rolland's attempt to make amends, and this frames his excuses for his simple language, and also suggests a reading of the text less anti-feminist than it might originally appear.

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	\|Has Description=The poet John Rolland ~~composed his~~ verse translation of ''The Seuin Seages'' in 1560, while staying ~~somewhere~~ outside of Edinburgh in East Lothian. The title claims the text is 'Translatit out of prois in Scottis meter'; what that prose source may have been, however, is unclear. The poem follows the narrative pattern of the ''[[H (Historia Septem Sapientum)\|Historia]]'' tradition (including the presence of the Empress's lover at the end of the text), meaning that the other early Scots text, the ''[[Older Scots Version A: Buke of the Sevyne Sagis\|Buke of the Sevyne Sagis]]'' in the Asloan manuscript, was not its likely source. Whether Rolland had access to a [[Latin Version H]] text, a [[French Version H\|French print]], or one of the [[English Version H\|English prints]] by e.g. Copland or Wynkyn de Worde, is unknown.		\|Has Description=The poet John Rolland's verse translation of ''The Seuin Seages'' is particularly lengthy; it runs for 10,784 lines in total. It was composed 1560, while the author staying near Tantallon Castle, outside of Edinburgh in East Lothian. The title claims the text is 'Translatit out of prois in Scottis meter'; what that prose source may have been, however, is unclear. The poem follows the narrative pattern of the ''[[H (Historia Septem Sapientum)\|Historia]]'' tradition (including the presence of the Empress's lover at the end of the text), meaning that the other early Scots text, the ''[[Older Scots Version A: Buke of the Sevyne Sagis\|Buke of the Sevyne Sagis]]'' in the Asloan manuscript, was not its likely source. Whether Rolland had access to a [[Latin Version H]] text, a [[French Version H\|French print]], or one of the [[English Version H\|English prints]] by e.g. Copland or Wynkyn de Worde, is unknown.

	The linguistic elements of Rolland's text, and the poem's unusual prologue and epilogue, are of particular note, as is the way the author constructs the moral and gendered elements of the poem. The title of the print explains the pedagogical intent, saying that the poem includes: 'ane Moralitie efter euerie Doctouris Tale, and siclike efter the Emprice Tale, togidder with ane louing and laude to euerie Doctour efter his awin Tale, & ane Exclamation and outcrying vpon the Empreouris wife efter hir fals contrusit Tale.' However, in addition to the 'outcrying' upon the Empress's 'falseness', the text also claims to 'vphald' 'wemen's honour', in direct response to reported criticism from Rolland's aunt. In his prologue, Rolland explains that his aunt read his earlier work - a poem called ''The Court of Venus -'' and complained that it was both difficult to read, and also unkind to women (she demands to know how he dares to speak 'sa ruch and rude' about ladies). ''The Seuin Seages'', then, is Rolland's attempt to make amends, and this frames his excuses for his simple language, and also suggests a reading of the text less anti-feminist than it might originally appear.		The linguistic elements of Rolland's text, and the poem's unusual prologue and epilogue, are of particular note, as is the way the author constructs the moral and gendered elements of the poem. The title of the print explains the pedagogical intent, saying that the poem includes: 'ane Moralitie efter euerie Doctouris Tale, and siclike efter the Emprice Tale, togidder with ane louing and laude to euerie Doctour efter his awin Tale, & ane Exclamation and outcrying vpon the Empreouris wife efter hir fals contrusit Tale.' However, in addition to the 'outcrying' upon the Empress's 'falseness', the text also claims to 'vphald' 'wemen's honour', in direct response to reported criticism from Rolland's aunt. In his prologue, Rolland explains that his aunt read his earlier work - a poem called ''The Court of Venus -'' and complained that it was both difficult to read, and also unkind to women (she demands to know how he dares to speak 'sa ruch and rude' about ladies). ''The Seuin Seages'', then, is Rolland's attempt to make amends, and this frames his excuses for his simple language, and also suggests a reading of the text less anti-feminist than it might originally appear.