Vaticinium - Revision history

Bonsall at 16:39, 28 November 2025

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	\|Has Motif=Familial relationships; Father/son relationships; Animal tale; Bird; Talking bird; Dynastic marriage; Disguise; Magic; Riches; Overheard secret; Food and drink		\|Has Motif=Familial relationships; Father/son relationships; Animal tale; Bird; Talking bird; Dynastic marriage; Disguise; Magic; Riches; Overheard secret; Food and drink; Children; Wise child; Mistaken or concealed identity; Violence; Murder
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Bonsall at 16:33, 28 November 2025

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	\|Has Motif=Familial relationships; Father/son relationships; Animal tale; Bird; Talking bird; Dynastic marriage; Disguise; Magic; Riches; Overheard secret; Food and drink		\|Has Motif=Familial relationships; Father/son relationships; Animal tale; Bird; Talking bird; Dynastic marriage; Disguise; Magic; Riches; Overheard secret; Food and drink
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	A father and son set sail together, and are surprised when crows (or, in some versions, a nightengale) land upon the mast, cawing. The boy understands their speech, and tells their father that they prophesy that one day he will be rich, and his father shall kneel before him, holding a basin for him to wash while his mother holds the towel. Enraged, the father flings his son overboard. The boy is saved by a passing ship, is left at a nearby port, and enters the service of the steward of the castle. The king of that land had long been plagued by ravens constantly circling him and cawing, and he offered half his kingdom and his daughter’s hand in marriage to any who could free him from this nuisance. The boy arrives at the court and explains to the king that the ravens want his judgement in a dispute to do with faith in times of hardship: in some versions, it is a lover's quarrel, in which two male ravens fight over which has claim the female based on whether they stood by her during famine; in other versions, it is a family issue, and an attentive father and absent mother fight over which has claim to their child. The king judges that the raven who was a faithful caregiver during the period of hardship has the rightful claim, and the three ravens fly away. The boy is given the hand of the princess, eventually takes the throne, and at long last decides to visit his parents. When they hear the king is coming, they kneel before him with a basin to for him to wash, and a towel, and do not recognise him until he reveals his identity to them.		A father and son set sail together, and are surprised when crows (or, in some versions, a nightengale) land upon the mast, cawing. The boy understands their speech, and tells their father that they prophesy that one day he will be rich, and his father shall kneel before him, holding a basin for him to wash while his mother holds the towel. Enraged, the father flings his son overboard. The boy is saved by a passing ship, is left at a nearby port, and enters the service of the steward of the castle. The king of that land had long been plagued by ravens constantly circling him and cawing, and he offered half his kingdom and his daughter’s hand in marriage to any who could free him from this nuisance. The boy arrives at the court and explains to the king that the ravens want his judgement in a dispute to do with faith in times of hardship: in some versions, it is a lover's quarrel, in which two male ravens fight over which has claim the female based on whether they stood by her during famine; in other versions, it is a family issue, and an attentive father and absent mother fight over which has claim to their child. The king judges that the raven who was a faithful caregiver during the period of hardship has the rightful claim, and the three ravens fly away. The boy is given the hand of the princess, eventually takes the throne, and at long last decides to visit his parents. When they hear the king is coming, they kneel before him with a basin to for him to wash, and a towel, and do not recognise him until he reveals his identity to them.
	\|Has Note=The problem of interpreting birds' speech is also seen in [[Praeceptum galli]], and [[Avis]].

			''Note: See also [[Vaticinium and Amici]] for the extended version of this tale, as found in most of the Historia texts.''


			From [[Brunner, The Seven Sages of Rome (Southern Version) (1933)]]

			[Added by Jane Bonsall]
			\|Has Note=As noted above, this story is expanded in [[Vaticinium and Amici]], in which the story of the faithful friend (sometimes titled Amis et Amile, or Amis and Amiloun) is appended to the story told above. Another story, given the title [[Vaticinium 1]], also deals with the 'prophetic' interpretation of the speech of birds, though in that story the interpreter cannot truly comprehend bird's speech, and uses the lie to further his own ends. The problem of interpreting birds' speech is also seen in [[Praeceptum galli]], and [[Avis]].

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	\|Has ~~Content Tag~~=Familial relationships; Father/son relationships; Animal tale; Bird; Talking bird; Dynastic marriage; Disguise; Magic; Riches; Overheard secret; Food and drink		\|Has Motif=Familial relationships; Father/son relationships; Animal tale; Bird; Talking bird; Dynastic marriage; Disguise; Magic; Riches; Overheard secret; Food and drink
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Bonsall at 17:14, 22 January 2025

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Bonsall at 16:26, 21 January 2025

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	\|Has Content Tag=Familial relationships; Father/son relationships; Animal tale; Bird; Talking bird; Dynastic marriage; Disguise; Food; Magic; Riches		\|Has Content Tag=Familial relationships; Father/son relationships; Animal tale; Bird; Talking bird; Dynastic marriage; Disguise; Food; Magic; Riches; Overheard secret
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Bonsall at 15:23, 21 January 2025

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-A father and son set sail together, and are surprised when crows land upon the mast, cawing. The boy understands their speech, and tells their father that they prophesy that one day he will be rich, and his father shall kneel before him, holding a basin for him to wash while his mother holds the towel. Enraged, the father flings his son overboard. The boy is saved by a passing ship, is left at a nearby port, and enters the service of the steward of the castle. The king of that land had long been plagued by ravens constantly circling him and cawing, and he offered half his kingdom and his daughter’s hand in marriage to any who could free him from this nuisance. The boy arrives at the court and explains to the king that the ravens want his judgement in a dispute to do with faith in times of hardship: in some versions, it is a lover's quarrel, in which two male ravens fight over which has claim the female based on whether they stood by her during famine; in other versions, it is a family issue, and two parents fight over who has claim to their child. The king judges that the raven who was a faithful caregiver during the period of hardship has the rightful claim, and the three ravens fly away. The boy is given the hand of the princess, eventually takes the throne, and at long last decides to visit his parents. When they hear the king is coming, they kneel before him with a basin to for him to wash, and a towel, and do not recognise him until he reveals his identity to them.
+A father and son set sail together, and are surprised when crows (or, in some versions, a nightengale) land upon the mast, cawing. The boy understands their speech, and tells their father that they prophesy that one day he will be rich, and his father shall kneel before him, holding a basin for him to wash while his mother holds the towel. Enraged, the father flings his son overboard. The boy is saved by a passing ship, is left at a nearby port, and enters the service of the steward of the castle. The king of that land had long been plagued by ravens constantly circling him and cawing, and he offered half his kingdom and his daughter’s hand in marriage to any who could free him from this nuisance. The boy arrives at the court and explains to the king that the ravens want his judgement in a dispute to do with faith in times of hardship: in some versions, it is a lover's quarrel, in which two male ravens fight over which has claim the female based on whether they stood by her during famine; in other versions, it is a family issue, and an attentive father and absent mother fight over which has claim to their child. The king judges that the raven who was a faithful caregiver during the period of hardship has the rightful claim, and the three ravens fly away. The boy is given the hand of the princess, eventually takes the throne, and at long last decides to visit his parents. When they hear the king is coming, they kneel before him with a basin to for him to wash, and a towel, and do not recognise him until he reveals his identity to them.
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Noeth at 18:43, 19 August 2024

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	A father and son set sail together, and are surprised when crows land upon the mast, cawing. The boy understands their speech, and tells their father that they prophesy that one day he will be rich, and his father shall kneel before him, holding a basin for him to wash while his mother holds the towel. Enraged, the father flings his son overboard. The boy is saved by a passing ship, is left at a nearby port, and enters the service of the steward of the castle. The king of that land had long been plagued by ravens constantly circling him and cawing, and he offered half his kingdom and his daughter’s hand in marriage to any who could free him from this nuisance. The boy arrives at the court and explains to the king that the ravens want his judgement in a dispute to do with faith in times of hardship: in some versions, it is a lover's quarrel, in which two male ravens fight over which has claim the female based on whether they stood by her during famine; in other versions, it is a family issue, and two parents fight over who has claim to their child. The king judges that the raven who was a faithful caregiver during the period of hardship has the rightful claim, and the three ravens fly away. The boy is given the hand of the princess, eventually takes the throne, and at long last decides to visit his parents. When they hear the king is coming, they kneel before him with a basin to for him to wash, and a towel, and do not recognise him until he reveals his identity to them.		A father and son set sail together, and are surprised when crows land upon the mast, cawing. The boy understands their speech, and tells their father that they prophesy that one day he will be rich, and his father shall kneel before him, holding a basin for him to wash while his mother holds the towel. Enraged, the father flings his son overboard. The boy is saved by a passing ship, is left at a nearby port, and enters the service of the steward of the castle. The king of that land had long been plagued by ravens constantly circling him and cawing, and he offered half his kingdom and his daughter’s hand in marriage to any who could free him from this nuisance. The boy arrives at the court and explains to the king that the ravens want his judgement in a dispute to do with faith in times of hardship: in some versions, it is a lover's quarrel, in which two male ravens fight over which has claim the female based on whether they stood by her during famine; in other versions, it is a family issue, and two parents fight over who has claim to their child. The king judges that the raven who was a faithful caregiver during the period of hardship has the rightful claim, and the three ravens fly away. The boy is given the hand of the princess, eventually takes the throne, and at long last decides to visit his parents. When they hear the king is coming, they kneel before him with a basin to for him to wash, and a towel, and do not recognise him until he reveals his identity to them.
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	A father and son set sail together, and are surprised when crows land upon the mast, cawing. The boy understands their speech, and tells their father that they prophesy that one day he will be rich, and his father shall kneel before him, holding a basin for him to wash while his mother holds the towel. Enraged, the father flings his son overboard. The boy is saved by a passing ship, is left at a nearby port, and enters the service of the steward of the castle. The king of that land had long been plagued by ravens constantly circling him and cawing, and he offered half his kingdom and his daughter’s hand in marriage to any who could free him from this nuisance. The boy arrives at the court and explains to the king that the ravens want his judgement in a dispute to do with faith in times of hardship: in some versions, it is a lover's quarrel, in which two male ravens fight over which has claim the female based on whether they stood by her during famine; in other versions, it is a family issue, and two parents fight over who has claim to their child. The king judges that the raven who was a faithful caregiver during the period of hardship has the rightful claim, and the three ravens fly away. The boy is given the hand of the princess, eventually takes the throne, and at long last decides to visit his parents. When they hear the king is coming, they kneel before him with a basin to for him to wash, and a towel, and do not recognise him until he reveals his identity to them.		A father and son set sail together, and are surprised when crows land upon the mast, cawing. The boy understands their speech, and tells their father that they prophesy that one day he will be rich, and his father shall kneel before him, holding a basin for him to wash while his mother holds the towel. Enraged, the father flings his son overboard. The boy is saved by a passing ship, is left at a nearby port, and enters the service of the steward of the castle. The king of that land had long been plagued by ravens constantly circling him and cawing, and he offered half his kingdom and his daughter’s hand in marriage to any who could free him from this nuisance. The boy arrives at the court and explains to the king that the ravens want his judgement in a dispute to do with faith in times of hardship: in some versions, it is a lover's quarrel, in which two male ravens fight over which has claim the female based on whether they stood by her during famine; in other versions, it is a family issue, and two parents fight over who has claim to their child. The king judges that the raven who was a faithful caregiver during the period of hardship has the rightful claim, and the three ravens fly away. The boy is given the hand of the princess, eventually takes the throne, and at long last decides to visit his parents. When they hear the king is coming, they kneel before him with a basin to for him to wash, and a towel, and do not recognise him until he reveals his identity to them.
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Noeth at 15:11, 4 June 2024

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	A father and son set sail together, and are surprised when crows land upon the mast, cawing. The boy understands their speech, and tells their father that they prophesy that one day he will be rich, and his father shall kneel before him, holding a basin for him to wash while his mother holds the towel. Enraged, the father flings his son overboard. The boy is saved by a passing ship, is left at a nearby port, and enters the service of the steward of the castle. The king of that land had long been plagued by ravens constantly circling him and cawing, and he offered half his kingdom and his daughter’s hand in marriage to any who could free him from this nuisance. The boy arrives at the court and explains to the king that the ravens want his judgement in a dispute to do with faith in times of hardship: in some versions, it is a lover's quarrel, in which two male ravens fight over which has claim the female based on whether they stood by her during famine; in other versions, it is a family issue, and two parents fight over who has claim to their child. The king judges that the raven who was a faithful caregiver during the period of hardship has the rightful claim, and the three ravens fly away. The boy is given the hand of the princess, eventually takes the throne, and at long last decides to visit his parents. When they hear the king is coming, they kneel before him with a basin to for him to wash, and a towel, and do not recognise him until he reveals his identity to them.		A father and son set sail together, and are surprised when crows land upon the mast, cawing. The boy understands their speech, and tells their father that they prophesy that one day he will be rich, and his father shall kneel before him, holding a basin for him to wash while his mother holds the towel. Enraged, the father flings his son overboard. The boy is saved by a passing ship, is left at a nearby port, and enters the service of the steward of the castle. The king of that land had long been plagued by ravens constantly circling him and cawing, and he offered half his kingdom and his daughter’s hand in marriage to any who could free him from this nuisance. The boy arrives at the court and explains to the king that the ravens want his judgement in a dispute to do with faith in times of hardship: in some versions, it is a lover's quarrel, in which two male ravens fight over which has claim the female based on whether they stood by her during famine; in other versions, it is a family issue, and two parents fight over who has claim to their child. The king judges that the raven who was a faithful caregiver during the period of hardship has the rightful claim, and the three ravens fly away. The boy is given the hand of the princess, eventually takes the throne, and at long last decides to visit his parents. When they hear the king is coming, they kneel before him with a basin to for him to wash, and a towel, and do not recognise him until he reveals his identity to them.
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Bonsall at 09:59, 12 April 2024

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			'''The Prophesy'''

			A father and son set sail together, and are surprised when crows land upon the mast, cawing. The boy understands their speech, and tells their father that they prophesy that one day he will be rich, and his father shall kneel before him, holding a basin for him to wash while his mother holds the towel. Enraged, the father flings his son overboard. The boy is saved by a passing ship, is left at a nearby port, and enters the service of the steward of the castle. The king of that land had long been plagued by ravens constantly circling him and cawing, and he offered half his kingdom and his daughter’s hand in marriage to any who could free him from this nuisance. The boy arrives at the court and explains to the king that the ravens want his judgement in a dispute to do with faith in times of hardship: in some versions, it is a lover's quarrel, in which two male ravens fight over which has claim the female based on whether they stood by her during famine; in other versions, it is a family issue, and two parents fight over who has claim to their child. The king judges that the raven who was a faithful caregiver during the period of hardship has the rightful claim, and the three ravens fly away. The boy is given the hand of the princess, eventually takes the throne, and at long last decides to visit his parents. When they hear the king is coming, they kneel before him with a basin to for him to wash, and a towel, and do not recognise him until he reveals his identity to them.